TOPIC: Snapshots

Snapshots 8 months 2 weeks ago #14968

Hello,

Been demoing a Helix...Interesting!

Though it is indeed an impressive device, I personally still prefer the sounds and the workflow of S-Gear.

One nice feature is the snapshot function with the ability to extend the tails into the next snapshot.

Also, the concept of "gapless" changes is nice as well.

Is there any way to do this in the current iteration? If not, it might be a nice feature set to consider.
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Snapshots 8 months 1 week ago #14985

Hello,

Apparently, the snapshot functionality might already be a present reality in S-Gear.

On page 31 of the User Manual it makes reference to a "Stage 1 bypass" which is as stated, "particularly useful for live performance when you wish to switch out a delay unit without cutting of the effect repeats."

Has anyone applied this feature set and can provide some further insight into this?
Note: My primary use of MIDI control will be to send commands from my DAW to S-Gear to control the snapshot feature.

PS: Thanks, Mike, as it would seem that you have "already" thought of the use of snapshots.
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Snapshots 8 months 1 week ago #14991

There are a couple of ways to do Helix like snapshots using S-Gear. First you can use Amp A and B to setup two different amps in the same patch and switch between them. Mike has indicated in the past that this might be increased to support more than two amp models.

Beyond that, you need something like Apple MainStage. Each patch in a MainStage set can do everything a Helix snapshot can do and more. Helix snapshots can only capture parameters of blocks in the patch - they can't change the blocks. MainStage patches can do anything. The questions are 1) how fast can you change patches with no audible gap and 2) can effect tails be retained across patches.

With something like MainStage, you can create controller assignments that can do anything, and patch switching is quite fast, but does not retain effect tails. So you would need to use controller assignments to change any parameters in a patch, sort of like snapshots, and then plan patch changes for switching between songs, or sections of a song were a bap with no effect tails isn't an issue.
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Snapshots 8 months 1 week ago #14992

There are a couple of ways to do Helix like snapshots using S-Gear. First you can use Amp A and B to setup two different amps in the same patch and switch between them. Mike has indicated in the past that this might be increased to support more than two amp models.

Beyond that, you need something like Apple MainStage. Each patch in a MainStage set can do everything a Helix snapshot can do and more. Helix snapshots can only capture parameters of blocks in the patch - they can't change the blocks. MainStage patches can do anything. The questions are 1) how fast can you change patches with no audible gap and 2) can effect tails be retained across patches.

With something like MainStage, you can create controller assignments that can do anything, and patch switching is quite fast, but does not retain effect tails. So you would need to use controller assignments to change any parameters in a patch, sort of like snapshots, and then plan patch changes for switching between songs, or sections of a song were a bap with no effect tails isn't an issue.

The point is to separate S-Gear from the context in which it might be used. Its this combination of apps like S-Gear and MainStage that can provide the more complete solution, instead of designing everything in each app over and over.
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Snapshots 8 months 2 days ago #15137

I've had a bit of a play with scripting in Reaper (reascript) and it was cool to be able to create a basic one to change multiple S-gear preset settings in one action (which can then be triggered with a midi controller).

This provides gapless changes as it's just changing settings on the current active preset. For example, I created 3 separate scripts for Clean, Breakup and Drive, with each triggered by a different button on my FCB1010 controller. Each of these scripts change the Input Trim, Amp Gain, Amp Drive, and Sag to different settings.

This worked better than Amp A/B as it can change other settings such as input trim and convolver, and Amp A/B changes still has an audible gap even if it is the same amp.

This isn't really a practical solution but was fun to play around with.
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